Robert Smith b.1819 Northumberland, d.1876 Lisbon

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Dear Carole,

As mentioned last week, I was notified of a DNA match with Mr. Robert K Smith.

Mr. Smith lives in America.

This is the info on Robert Smith born 1819.

He might be a link to my family, although many years ago.

Is there a way that you can help me trace Robert Smith born 1819?

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Robert Smith - Born 1819 at "Newton By the Sea" (north of Newcastle, England)
Died in Lisbon in 1876
Married to Isabel born at "Berwick-upon-Tweed" (North England)
Children: Thomas, Daniel

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From FTDNA:

3-star-status Member Joined : 03 Apr 2007 Posts : 66

Hi Carole,

I have been notivied of a posting but I did not received anything?

Is there somebody that can help with Mr. Robert Smith born 1819 please.
In what census district will I find Newton By the Sea - can you help please?
We have no paper trails regarding these people to compare - I need to see what I can find on him.
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Died in Lisbon in 1876
Married to Isabel born at "Berwick-upon-Tweed" (North England)
Children: Thomas, Daniel>
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Thank you for all the kind help,

Have a great evening,

From a cold SOUTH AFRICA

wave

Karin.

Hi Karin,
Terribly sorry about that, I think it was probably my fault about the wrong notification email, I made an error I think when splitting your post earlier from >> genealogy quotes >> to this new Topic, & hadn't got around to replying here yet - but I'm here now!! Very Happy

Newton-by-the-Sea is an 18th-century fishing village in the old Parish of Embleton, on the Northumberland Coast (Northumberland is a county in north-east England) -
See our Topic on this Board.............
>> Links for N-EAST ENGLAND Research (Northumberland, Durham) >>
Quite a number of site's links on there that you might find useful.

You should also find some helpful information at the following Genuki page about the District and records holdings........ http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Embleton/
and for information about other Northumberland towns and parishes, eg - you mention Berwick-upon-Tweed - follow the index at this Genuki page........... http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Parishes.html

Also - try a search for possible Christenings of Robert Smith in the IGI database
at >> familysearch.org >>

Good luck Karin

& please let us know how you go on with all that.
Was just thinking - I remember you said not long ago that you thought your Frederick might have some north-east connection - Northumberland/Durham. That might yet prove to be correct then???

Carole

PS - we all love the genealogy quotes you posted. wave

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3-star-status Member Joined : 03 Apr 2007 Posts : 66

Hi Carole,

You are a blessing!! I

you and I appreciate your kindness so much.

I will have a look at all the links etc that you have e-mailed me.
Could'nt find them on Familysearch but will continue digging.

Thank you once again,

Have a great day,

Until next time,

wave

Karin.

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Hello again Karin,
Yes the little "salute" smiley & some of the others are not working properly at the moment - hoping to have time to correct those when I'm doing next maintenance.

This might be of some help to you..........
Only seem to be 9 x Robert Smiths of approximate correct age
indexed for........1841 Census Northumberland

** if born in 1819, the one marked ** looks the most probable. But you'll know better than I do now I think - as to which of these Registration Districts - Newton by the Sea belongs?

Name / approx birth year / age at 1841 / gender

1841 District Newcastle upon tyne
SMITH, Robert 1817 24 M
** SMITH, Robt 1820 21 M **
SMITH, Robert 1821 20 M

1841 District Tynemouth
SMITH, Robert 1817 24 M
SMITH, Robert 1821 20 M
SMITH, Robert 1821 20 M

1841 District Alnwick Union
SMITH, Robert 1821 20 M
SMITH, Robert Adams 1821 20 M
SMITH, Robert Edwin 1821 20 M

That's all I have for those - but you could follow up the
full households or download the original census page scans,
at one of the databases at either The Genealogist, or Find my Past
or Ancestry. If you decide to do that - it would be interesting to
know what you find for any of these households?

See you later aligator

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Hi Carole,

I am so glad that you are back, trust that you had a wonderful time and that all of you have rest well.

Carole, Very Happy

I DO BELIEVE I HAVE FOUND MY GRANDFATHER Very Happy

!!!

FRED SMITH BORN 1886 IN GIBRALTAR - HE IS ON THE 1901 CENSUS RETURN FOR SCOTLAND. I HAVE FOUND HIM IN A ORPHANAGE.
I AM STILL TRYING TO CONTAIN MY FEELINGS, I WANT TO CRY AND LAUGH AT THE SAME TIME Laughing

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Just wanted to share this news with all of you,

Until next time,

wave

Karin.

Hi Karin!

This is so exciting! However did you make all the connections? It is also sad isn't it? We wonder how these young children survived in orphanages years ago. Do share more of the story with us, Gillian
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Hi Gillian,

Thank you for the e-mail received, I appreciate your kindness.

We had a DNA test done through FTDNA and were notified by them of a 11/12 marker match.
I have contacted Mr Rob Smith who now lives in the US and he e-mailed me his information. Rob's grandfather was born in Gibraltar.
I then went to Ancestry.uk and had a look for Fred Smith born 1886 - the year of my grandfathers birth in Gibraltar, I have found him on the 1901 census return as mentioned. He is also on Familysearch. I do realise that a lot of work still needs to be done.
I wrote to the Orphanage in Scotland but had no reply yet. I am also doing my utmost best to make contact with Gibraltar.

This afternoon I did a search for on Alfred Smith born in Gibraltar (according to our info my grandfather's father was Alfred) and have found an Alfred Smith born 1867 in Gibraltar.
He was the son of William and Elizabeth Smith.

My heart wants to break if I think of my grandfather. My father Frederick Ernest was one month old when his dad went into WW1 and ten months old when his dad died in 1916.
To think that my dad and his brother Ernest Alfred lost their father and their father were in an orphanage.
I would love to know more about the Orphanage in Renfrewshire, the name of the orphanage was Kilmacolm Orphanage.
I hope to hear from them soon.

Well, Gillian once again thank you - please keep your fingers cross that I will be able to find some form of confermation.

Until next time,

From a cold SA,

cheers

Karin.

Hi Karin!

Yes, I have my fingers crossed! I hope there is more news soon, Gillian
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Wonderful News Karin!! Congratulations!!
I have my fingers crossed too & look forward to hearing what you find next!! Heck this is turning into a really wonderful story Karin. I can just imagine how you are feeling right now!!

Talk again soon,
Carole Very Happy

3-star-status Member Joined : 03 Apr 2007 Posts : 66

Dear Carole and Gillian,

Thank you for your kind e-mails - as said so often I really do appreciate it and I mean it!!.

I am so frustrated - I did not hear a thing from the Gibraltar archives, the rootsweb and two other places that I wrote to and nothing from the Orphanage yet.

I wonder if you can help me with the following please?
I have found this on Ancestry.uk 1881 census return.

Name:

Age:

Estimated Birth Year:

Relation:

Father's Name:

Mother's Name:

Gender:

Where born:

Civil Parish:

County/Island:

Country:

Street address:

Education:

Employment status:

Occupation:

Registration district:

Sub registration district:

ED, institution, or vessel:

Neighbors:

Alfred Smith

14

abt 1867

Son

William

Elizabeth

Male

Gibraltar

Plumstead

London

England

Plumstead Neytors Cottages No 1

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Cartridge Maker

Woolwich

Plumstead, East

1

View others on page

Name
Age

Alfred Smith	14
Elizabeth Smith	50
Emily Smith	8
Maria Smith	12
William Smith	54
William Smith	27

I am not saying that this means anything but it is possible.
It seems as if this family stayed differnet places when the children were born.

Thanks so much again for your kindness and help,

Have a lovely day,

Until next time,

Karin.

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Sorry, :<confused&g for some reason my mail are did not go through as I have typed it!! Don't know why :<confused&g

Once again have a great day,

Karin.

Hi Karin!

I hope this leads you to more information. It is now the holiday season in the UK and response to your letters may be slow for that reason. I do hope you hear something soon.
Cheers Gillian
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3-star-status Member Joined : 03 Apr 2007 Posts : 66

Hi Gillian,

I really do hope so and thank you for the kind wishes.
I would love to get to the end of a twelve year search - it has been long enough!

Have a lovely day,

wave

Karin.

Hi Karin

Great to hear you have found your grandfather.
After all your hard work.

Love Jean :